{"id":598,"date":"2020-01-14T10:35:42","date_gmt":"2020-01-14T10:35:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/?p=598"},"modified":"2020-01-14T10:35:43","modified_gmt":"2020-01-14T10:35:43","slug":"confusion-in-the-netherlands-1-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/2020\/01\/14\/confusion-in-the-netherlands-1-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Confusion in the Netherlands #1"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/Confusion-in-the-Netherlands-1-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-606\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/Confusion-in-the-Netherlands-1-1.png 560w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/Confusion-in-the-Netherlands-1-1-500x281.png 500w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/Confusion-in-the-Netherlands-1-1-300x169.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 560px) 100vw, 560px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Living abroad is all fun and games until things get confusing. Every day I am hit by cultural confusion, as well as (and, the most common, actually) language confusion. Now, whilst the Netherlands is a wonderful country in almost every way, there are a lot of confusing things going down over here, and I am not just talking about the amount of dairy products the Dutch consume. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This will not be the only post concerning my confusion &#8211; hence the hashtag number one in the title, but let&#8217;s start with these three beauties.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_80 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-grey ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Quick Find<\/p>\n<label for=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-69ef9b134f02f\" class=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-label\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseProfile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/label><input type=\"checkbox\"  id=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-69ef9b134f02f\"  aria-label=\"Toggle\" \/><nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/2020\/01\/14\/confusion-in-the-netherlands-1-2\/#1_%E2%80%93_Time_is_confusing\" >1 &#8211; Time is confusing<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/2020\/01\/14\/confusion-in-the-netherlands-1-2\/#2_%E2%80%93_Asking_or_telling_someone_how_long_something_has_occurred_for_is_confusing\" >2 &#8211; Asking or telling someone how long something has occurred for is confusing<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/2020\/01\/14\/confusion-in-the-netherlands-1-2\/#3_%E2%80%93_Saying_your_full_name_on_the_phone_is_confusing\" >3 &#8211; Saying your full name on the phone is confusing<\/a><ul class='ez-toc-list-level-4' ><li class='ez-toc-heading-level-4'><ul class='ez-toc-list-level-4' ><li class='ez-toc-heading-level-4'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/2020\/01\/14\/confusion-in-the-netherlands-1-2\/#So\" >So<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/li><\/ul><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"1_%E2%80%93_Time_is_confusing\"><\/span>1 &#8211; Time is confusing<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/murtaza-vora-WZkyrpMdAg-unsplash-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-602\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/murtaza-vora-WZkyrpMdAg-unsplash-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/murtaza-vora-WZkyrpMdAg-unsplash-scaled-500x281.jpg 500w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/murtaza-vora-WZkyrpMdAg-unsplash-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/murtaza-vora-WZkyrpMdAg-unsplash-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/murtaza-vora-WZkyrpMdAg-unsplash-1536x863.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/murtaza-vora-WZkyrpMdAg-unsplash-2048x1151.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/murtaza-vora-WZkyrpMdAg-unsplash-800x450.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption> Photo by\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/unsplash.com\/@mrtzv5?utm_source=unsplash&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=creditCopyText\">Murtaza Vora<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>I remember back in high school when I had German lessons, I would always be left utterly flabbergasted that the Germans would dare to call &#8216;half past&#8217; any hour, &#8216;half before&#8217; instead. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I was so flabbergasted in fact, that I failed to learn it as a rule, which was certainly the wrong way to go about it because:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>The Dutch do the same damn thing.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Half past seven in the morning is actually said in Dutch as &#8216;half 8&#8217;, meaning half an hour before 8am. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That means that when anyone asks me to meet them at, &#8216;half 3&#8217;, for example, my mind shuts down immediately, rather than processing the time normally. For all you lot with the same problem as me, they want to meet me at 2:30. Not 3:30. <strong>I know.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When my Dutch teacher informs me that my very important Dutch exam is <em>&#8216;om half \u00e9\u00e9n&#8217;<\/em>, I panic. My exam is at half past 12, not half past 1, and I probably shouldn&#8217;t forget that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That&#8217;s not even the worst part. I was stood in the doctors once and the secretary asked me if <em>&#8216;5 over half 4&#8217;<\/em> was a good time for an appointment. What do you think I did? I stood there, and forgot <em>everything<\/em>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>5 over half way to 4 is 3:35, by the way. <strong>I know.<\/strong> Why couldn&#8217;t she just say that?!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Numbers were never my strong point.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"2_%E2%80%93_Asking_or_telling_someone_how_long_something_has_occurred_for_is_confusing\"><\/span>2 &#8211; Asking or telling someone how long something has occurred for is confusing<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"768\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/jon-tyson-RUsczRV6ifY-unsplash-768x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-601\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/jon-tyson-RUsczRV6ifY-unsplash-768x1024.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/jon-tyson-RUsczRV6ifY-unsplash-scaled-500x667.jpg 500w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/jon-tyson-RUsczRV6ifY-unsplash-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/jon-tyson-RUsczRV6ifY-unsplash-1152x1536.jpg 1152w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/jon-tyson-RUsczRV6ifY-unsplash-1536x2048.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/jon-tyson-RUsczRV6ifY-unsplash-800x1067.jpg 800w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/jon-tyson-RUsczRV6ifY-unsplash-scaled.jpg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><figcaption> Photo by\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/unsplash.com\/@jontyson?utm_source=unsplash&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=creditCopyText\">Jon Tyson<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>This was a hard section to name, I&#8217;m sorry. But sticking with the numbers theme we have this little ode to confusion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you ever ask how long something has occurred for: for example, &#8220;How many years have you worked at the clog factory Jan?&#8221; or, &#8220;How many years have you lived here, Joppie?&#8221;, you will receive an answer that sounds a little something like this:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>&#8220;Een jaar of vier.&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Roughly translated to <strong>&#8220;A year or four&#8221;<\/strong>, you&#8217;d be forgiven for thinking that Jan has absolutely zero clue as to how long he has been working at the clog factory for. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And that, my friends, is apparently where the confusing saying stems from.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It&#8217;s used when someone isn&#8217;t sure of the exact time frame but has a rough estimate. Hence the beginning of the sentence: &#8216;een jaar of&#8230;&#8217;\/&#8217;a year or&#8217;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It would definitely be a lot simpler if they came up with a phrase that didn&#8217;t include another word that suspiciously looks a lot like a number, for all those number dyslexic folk out here learning Dutch!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"3_%E2%80%93_Saying_your_full_name_on_the_phone_is_confusing\"><\/span>3 &#8211; Saying your full name on the phone is confusing<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/andy-art-LGylxAvpl3k-unsplash-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-603\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/andy-art-LGylxAvpl3k-unsplash-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/andy-art-LGylxAvpl3k-unsplash-scaled-500x281.jpg 500w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/andy-art-LGylxAvpl3k-unsplash-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/andy-art-LGylxAvpl3k-unsplash-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/andy-art-LGylxAvpl3k-unsplash-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/andy-art-LGylxAvpl3k-unsplash-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/nether-netherland.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/andy-art-LGylxAvpl3k-unsplash-800x450.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption> Photo by\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/unsplash.com\/@trojantry?utm_source=unsplash&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=creditCopyText\">Andy Art<\/a>\u00a0<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Ah, the horrors of using the phone to call people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Believe me, if you think calling people in your own language is tough, wait until you have to try it in a foreign language, in which you have merely used the most basic of conversation skills.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It&#8217;s common curtesy over here in the Netherlands to always introduce yourself on the telephone, no matter who you&#8217;re calling.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It seems like the <em>least British thing<\/em> that I have ever heard of, which is probably why I find it confusing, and mighty embarrassing. Can you imagine <em>any<\/em> Brit answering the phone with enough vigour to introduce themselves at the start of the conversation? No, me neither.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now, I understand why this might have been applicable in, say, 1960, when there was no such thing as caller identity. But nowadays, surely it&#8217;s not necessary?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yet every time I have to call anyone here, I am reminded to remind them of who I am.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The conversation <em>should<\/em> begin like this:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\">&#8220;<strong>Hallo, met Simone Kynaston<\/strong>&#8221; if I&#8217;m calling anyone to make an appointment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\">or<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\">&#8220;<strong>Hallo met Simone<\/strong>&#8221; if this person is on more friendly terms.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\">or<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\">&#8220;<strong>Hallo met mij<\/strong>&#8220;, which is usually reserved for people who have&#8230;access&#8230;to&#8230;your&#8230;caller&#8230;ID.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I&#8217;m not saying that the Dutch are wrong, (in fact, I like the pleasantness of that last one for friends and family), it&#8217;s just strange. There&#8217;s always &#8211; <em>always &#8211; <\/em>an incredibly long, painful pause after you&#8217;ve said it too whilst the person on the other end of the line is seemingly thinking &#8220;yeah&#8230; go on then&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Also, my three examples were pretty much lies, as I forget to do it pretty much every time I pick up the phone. No biggie, they just have to wait in suspense for a little longer to find out who&#8217;s delivering their message.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"So\"><\/span>So<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>So, whilst being an expat is of course cool, and exciting sometimes, as you can see now, it&#8217;s not always the case.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I know that we Brits have a hell of a lot of things that would be deemed confusing to foreigners too, so I know I can&#8217;t be let off the hook either, but what do you reckon? Weird? Or just funny?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Until next time! 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